Tuesday, December 13, 2005

On Writing and Other Educational Endeavors

I am not a great writer and probably never will be. I do hope though that I am able to convey ideas accurately and in an organized fashion. I know that there are many people who have a natural flair for writing and don't have to work at it too much. But I think there are probably a lot more people like me than like that. In teaching my own children in our homeschool, it is all too easy to avoid the hard things, and I've become more convinced the harder something is for me or my kids the more we need to work on it. This quote from I'm the Teacher, You're the Student (book I wrote about in an earlier post) even uses the music analogy that I have used before. It isn't just applicable to writing, but in a lot of educational endeavors. It also can be instructional for us as homeschoolers to know areas of potential weaknesses in college students.

Most Emory undergraduates are bad writers; most Berkeley undergraduates are bad writers; and I know from talking with my academic pals around the country that most students at Yale, St. Louis, Stonehill College, Colby-Sawyer College, Hiram College, Notre Dame, and Duke are also bad writers. They have not done enough writing to become good at it. They've been cursed with a lifetime of multiple-choice examinations instead, so even the highly intelligent ones come to writing as a strange and alien activity that is occasionally forced upon them. But writing is an activity that needs constant practice if you're going to be good at it. It's like being a violinist--if you once had a few lessons but then got into the habit of picking up the violin just four or five times per year, you would not make sweet and beautiful sounds on it to delight an audience. So it is with the students' papers. They haven't written much, ever, most of them, and they don't really know how to do it, with the result that they can't convey their knowledge and intellectual ability in writing.

Dr. Allitt goes on to explain other problems in students' writing--one of which is grammar. Mistakes in grammar he finds in students' papers are subject-verb agreement problems, mixing tenses, misuse of past participle forms in verbs, misuse of apostrophes, and lack of understanding of the use of the pluperfect tense. Confident usage of these things take practice. If the teacher/homeschool parent doesn't know these things, she will be unable to help her student correct them in writing. If the teacher/homeschool parent does know them, she will be much more able to help her child in his writing. Much can be learned about grammar in the context of writing if the parent is educated herself. So learn that grammar with your kids! You'll be glad you did.

7 Comments:

At 11:25 PM, Blogger Patti Hobbs said...

Here's an interview with Dr. Allit in which he explains more about himself, his view of his students, and his teaching style: http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/rosen200410130842.asp

 
At 1:52 PM, Blogger A. Victoria said...

How did the wedding go?

A

 
At 3:48 PM, Blogger Patti Hobbs said...

It went great. I got some photos from the Cooks which I posted here:

http://cleverwelding.com/wedding and http://cleverwelding.com/individuals

However, on Sunday I just got the photos from the Rolla/St. James people and I'm in the midst of trying to organize them and make selections to do a better job. If you email me your email address, I'll email you when I do that. It's patti@cleverwelding.com

thanks for asking!

 
At 12:11 PM, Blogger A. Victoria said...

I am going to go look at what is already posted as soon as I get a moment & I just sent you an email.

Thanks for letting me know where I could find pictures.

God Bless.

 
At 12:02 AM, Anonymous Linda Axon said...

Hello, Patti: I enjoyed seeing your blog and will continue to look back from time to time. I had one going a couple of years ago, but let it become neglected. Lar has started one now and is encouraging me to begin again, so when I do, I'll let you know.

RE: students' inability to write: I observed this when I returned to school for a while. I met a few younger students who could use English well but most could not. BTW, they were mostly in upper level philosophy courses where they would have had to have been writing papers for some time. As part of the class, we had to evaluate our fellow students' papers and I can tell you this - it was not just their grammar skills that was lacking but their reasoning skills as well.

On the other hand, a few excelled above the rest. I don't know if they were just smarter to begin with or what. My suspicion is that school districts just vary a lot in what they require. I was surprised recently, for example, when the news featured a refugee from New Orleans who had been helped by the city of Lebanon, MO. Now, I like Lebanon, but I never thought of it (or any other small town in the Ozarks) as having a school system with academically superior programs. However, one problem this lady was having was that the schools were just "so much more advanced" in Lebanon than in New Orleans and her child was having trouble keeping up. Yikes!

My own current grammatical peeve, however, is the use of the word "myself." It seems to me that about three years or so ago, everyone started using "myself" incorrectly. Somehow, they seem to have gotten the idea that is sounds more sophisticated or correct to use it in place of "I" or "me." They seem to have no understanding of use of a reflexive pronouns - or of a pronoun in the place of a subject as opposed to the place of an object. Take last Saturday, for example: We went to the movie theater to see "The End of the Spear." Nowdays, of course, you must sit through advertisements -- sometimes the same ones over and over again, before you get to see the movie you came for. So, I was sitting there and time after time, a law office advertised. The lawyer herself would come on and say, "Myself and my partners are here to help you."

To which I responded in my mind, "Lady, if you don't even know how to speak proper English in an advertisement where you are presumably trying to impress people, I most certainly wouldn't trust you to write up any legal matters for me!"

I actually thought about writing to her and telling her my thoughts but decided I was a little too irritated and it wouldn't be Christian, lol.

It reminds me of when I used to play an online game with people from all over the world. Most were young people, with only a few of us oldies participating. One day, I was talking to a group of Brits, Aussies and Germans and they would't believe it when I was an American. "We thought you were British," they said. Why? "Because," they explained, "You can spell and your verbs and nouns agree!"

THAT is a true story. Even the Germans spoke better English and spelled English words better than most of the Americans.

The one good side of it all is that your children will be in demand. In many professions where you would think grammar and spelling aren't that important, they are. My husband is V.P. of an insurance software company and he has a difficult time finding people who can document their work properly and communicate well with customers because so many people can neither spell nor express themselves well.

 
At 12:10 AM, Anonymous Linda Axon said...

LOL I guess I deserve it. When I read over my comment, I found a grammatical error! However, it occurred because I kept changing the wording and forgot to change an article.

Also, I reread an email I sent to Patti the other day and it had spelling errors. But, honestly, Patti -- I do know that when you purchase something it is "buy" not "by," etc...typos! I forgot to review before sending!

Serves me right for being judgmental of that lawyer, I guess...except surely, she reviewed her script -- so I really think she doesn't know any better!

 
At 11:04 AM, Blogger Patti Hobbs said...

Hi, Linda! Thanks for posting. I just now looked and saw that there were more comments here. I do think that some people are naturally gifted verbally and find stringing words together to convey ideas easier. Surprising about Lebanon! Also I don't worry much about emails--I consider them to be similar to conversations where thoughts can be shifted mid-sentence. That's also where I usually make mistakes, too. I will decide to say something a little differently and then not go back and change it. The use of "myself" and all the forms of objective vs. subjective cases in personal and relative pronouns are also my pet peeves. My older boys obviously haven't gotten to benefit from my greater knowledge of grammar since I was learning so much of it myself (reflexive use referring back to "I"!!) back then. But they do okay. They both scored way above the average engineering graduate student applicant on their verbal scores of the GRE. Hope it helps!

 

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